darcy
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Post by darcy on Nov 20, 2006 14:27:51 GMT -5
if anyone has any info good or bad on green snakes i am going into attempting to start a small snake breeding hobbie and possibly bussiness. or if you have one let me know i wwwwwwaaaaannnnnnnttttttt one bad.
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Post by kaley on Nov 20, 2006 15:15:25 GMT -5
We had a rough green snake at one time...very cute, but it died on us after not too long...generally didn't want to eat much, and finally died when it choked on a bug... My understanding is that these guys are almost all wild caught (NOT GOOD!!!) and are therefore not neccessarily the healthiest - this may have changed, but that's how it was when we had ours... Also, I would worry about properly feeding a little snake that only eats live insects - I would think that it would be easy for them to get malnourished on captive feeder insects - not to mention feeding insects regularily is a bit of a pain in and of itself... Just my two cents, but definetly NOT something I'd go for!! Personally I prefer people to stick to species that are bred in captivity and have a long track record of thriving in the care of novice herpers...Corn snakes are about THE BEST beginner snake there is - easy to keep and pretty easy to breed - and they come in an almost infinte variety of morphs... Again, just my opinion!! Kaley
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darcy
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Post by darcy on Nov 20, 2006 18:16:33 GMT -5
ive tried the whole cornsnake thing and it was very fun but bored, i think go uncommon or go home, i love corn snakes tho no bad stuff on them. i have been in love with green snakes ever since. where did u get the snake from, do they still have them there. thats my plan, i want to attempt to breed them, they breed really easy and eggs are easy to hatch. some wild ones are pregnant when u get them to so that would be good. i know there really small and thatthere delicate but no one has them and i think that if i had healthy captive breds and proven feeders i could bring up the rep u know. thanx for the info i appreciate it and keep it coming. im still on the path lol, i wanted a ball python but there illegal lol darn!!.
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Post by kaley on Nov 20, 2006 19:26:33 GMT -5
I think that ours was from Petland - probably about 6 years ago (not long after Petland opened...whenever that was)...They gave her to us because she had laid eggs in her shipping container...We had an incubator running, and managed to hatch out the eggs...Sold all the babies...But the female died on us, like I said before.
I haven't seen one around for a LONG time...IF you really are set on this - MAKE SURE you get a captive bred ones that are eating well...And I wouldn't count on actually making any money breeding these -I just checked kingsnake.com classifieds (US ads), and rough greens are running $10-20 (all wild caught babies)...nothing at all on reptiles canada classifieds...
I'm still not convinced that green snakes are a good plan for a beginner...but it's your choice! Hopefully you get what you want without too much heart ache!
Kaley
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darcy
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Post by darcy on Nov 20, 2006 19:49:17 GMT -5
im not a beginner. ive been keeping reptiles for four years from corns to mali's. u name it ive baby sat or temporarily kept. it. if i could get a free snake i would change my mind for a while but til that happens im not sure
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Post by Shawn(snakebite) on Nov 20, 2006 20:03:45 GMT -5
I do agree with Kaley, this is not a species to make money at , and the feeding requirements , to me, would be a pain. BUT, if it's a passion for you to work with these snakes , and it seems like it is, then by all means do it.I am totally for it if you love the species that much.It has nothing to do with money and the sensation of working with your favs and the feeling of accomplishment and success will be it's own reward , better than money. It's a beautiful thing to succeed in what you truly want to accomplish. Best of luck to you with whatever you decide. Pssst......I say go for it!!!
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Post by kaley on Nov 20, 2006 20:41:16 GMT -5
Sorry Darcy ...from your first post, when you said you had two animals and none were reptiles, and then that you'd "looked into" corns, I assumed that you hadn't had reptiles before... And really, this does change things!! It's a lot different to go from no reptile experience at all to breeding a tricky species, than to go from some diverse experience to breeding a tricky species! Sorry for the misunderstanding! I feel bad... Kaley
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darcy
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Post by darcy on Nov 20, 2006 21:47:41 GMT -5
im not angry, i just wanted to state that i have had lots of reptiles. lol honest mistake on both parts. do u happen to know if any person that bought a green snake still has one...justa ? i think the reason i want a green snake so bad is becausei would get two and be able to easily keep them in 70 gallons. it would be a happy couple and i would do it bacause im fascinated with the fact there so small and differ so much from regular american snakes. there suppose to be very very gentle also. and i have never even seen or held one up close. although a monitor lizard for cheap would be a options lol
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Post by kaley on Nov 20, 2006 22:18:57 GMT -5
Glad I didn't horribly offend you on your first day here! I, unfortunately, have a talent for pissing people off.. I don't know of anyone with greens...but maybe someone will pop up? I don't have any problem with people keeping greens per say...I just worry about people getting wc and having bad luck with them...But I do have to admit that they are awful neat little boogers... ;D...we really did enjoy ours - it's just sad that they are mostly wc. Maybe you'll get lucky, and can change the state of these guys in captivity....maybe... ... I've never really heard the "gentle" part though...very timid and flighty and delicate, yes, but not gentle...Maybe the gentle is because they don't really bite? At least cb monitors are common...and there are lots of cool monitors out there...You might be a little screwed on the gentle part though.. ;D Kaley
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darcy
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Post by darcy on Nov 20, 2006 22:57:56 GMT -5
yah monitors have a bad rep. how expensive is a cheap one
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Post by kaley on Nov 21, 2006 9:27:46 GMT -5
Don't know...I've never kept any monitors...Lots of people here have though...I do know that set up for a monitor will likely be more expensive...But I'm hardly an expert...
Kaley
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Post by Ryan Wunsch on Nov 21, 2006 22:03:56 GMT -5
At least cb monitors are common...and there are lots of cool monitors out there...You might be a little screwed on the gentle part though.. ; Actually, unfortunately that is not usually the case , especially in Canada. Ackies and a few other small monitors are bred in Canada from time to time, but I don't think I've ever seen these in local petstores. Some petstores might say "captive bred", but often they are lieing or they have been duped themselves. There are some petstores that have had truely captive bred monitors, but I've never seen it in Saskatchewan, and it is a rarity anywhere. There is no such thing as a cheap monitor, even if you are given one for free. To maintain most of the commonly available ones properly, a large cage needs to be custum built. This cage will also require expensive heat lights. That will be nothing in comparrison to the food you will be feeding them. This cost is often offset by using "leftover" mice and rats that comes with keepig a big group of snakes. You don't have that, so you wi9ll be spending a lot on mice and rats. But those alone don't provide as varied a diet as a monitor should have, so you should also check out the availability of insects, whole fish, baby chicks, shell fish and free range organic bird eggs. One of the most difficult reptiles to keep adequately, and definitely one the most expensive to keep properly. Spending the money on a c.b ackie from a breeder, will save you a lot of grief (and money) in the future. They used to go for $200-$400. Many petstores usually have savanna monitors around, don't look for a tame one, if you keep it properly it has a good chance of losing the tameness. Prices vary, but they can get them in the spring for $20 or less each, "captive hatched" from their home land. Hope that wasn't too discouraging - but the short version is that the words "cheap" and "monitor" don't belong in the same sentence.
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Post by Shawn(snakebite) on Nov 21, 2006 22:12:07 GMT -5
I agree with Ryan , and will add that any reptile isn't really cheap if kept properly.There are some that are easier to keep than others , but all demand a fair a bit of an investment , in my opinion.
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Post by kaley on Nov 22, 2006 9:48:09 GMT -5
Actually, unfortunately that is not usually the case , especially in Canada. Ackies and a few other small monitors are bred in Canada from time to time, but I don't think I've ever seen these in local petstores. That's really too bad!! I always figured there were cb species around...but I guess I've never really looked into keeping monitors...I don't tend to get along with large lizards...Thanks for correcting me!!! I learn something everyday! I tried to allude to this is a subsequent post...but I didn't want to dissuade the poor guy any more...and again, I don't have an monitor experience, so I don't really KNOW what goes into keeping them... Thanks for the info Ryan! Kaley
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